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Unplugged: Coping with End of an Online Community

Wednesday, October 14, 2009 12:12 AM

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"Johnny can't come online anymore. It's nobody's fault. He got a new job and the computers block the login page. It's probably just as well. Francine broke up with her boyfriend and has decided to unplug for a while. Roger is always offline. I think it's the new guys. Some of them are cool; but Jesus, it's The Invasion of the Trolls. This used to be a place where we could celebrate things we liked, now it's a competition to see see who can get the last word  in edgewise. . Anyway,I heard that B has some Hollywood Projects in the works and will shut the site down soon. I'm out of here, too. Just wanted to sahad a blast getting to know you. Maybe if Evan starts up his own site, I'll pop by and say hi. Good luck man. Take care".

The Internet connects us haphazardly. Masses converge to share common ideas, unique experiences, penny-wise insights, and to revel in shared passions. Conversations have no beginning or end; each participant joins some time during the eternal, nebulous middle. Detractors of the Internet's fan sites and forums believe the user base to be the domain of the maladjusted,  of criminals and peverts. All unfortunate such occurrences obfuscate the meaningful relationships that can be made if each conversant is honest, charitable, and mature. There is much fun to be had in these connections, but if the Internet is the medium through which we communicate (sometimes exclusively, what do we do when these folks unplug?

 There is not an easy or universal answer Since all internet experience is subjective and whatever meaningful knowledge we gain about internet culture is wholly empirical, I thought I would share some of my experiences, which provide the foundation for fictionalized account above.

My first experience with the forum culture was as one of Brian K. Vaughan's "Caballeros." Known to us as BKV, the Bald One, Fearless Leader or the more anachronistic "Vaughnatuuu" (An inside joke involving The Watcher that I never fully understood), BKV offered a consistently engaging, informative, and positive Cabal for his fans. I stumbled across his hangout when he was mentioned on The Amazing Website Of Kavalier and Clay because of his landmark and flawless "The Escapists" miniseries. The forum already had a strong foundation, but even as a next generation member, I was warmly welcomed. Inside jokes were kept to a minimum and jovially explained when necessary. I listened. I participated. I grew.

The Cabal was a great place to hang out because because of the the principles by which it was run. Everyone was required to be respectful and positive, especially about comics. We were free to say whatever we wanted about Brian's work, but we were forbidden from criticizing the work of other creators.  Even a criticism with a positive emphasis, such as "I liked the story, but the art didn't work for me", was not  tolerated. The Cabal was not a place to discuss comics, entertainment and art; it was a place designed to celebrate things we loved unabashedly.. Weekly, the Bald One would post his Top 5 Favorite Comics and encourage us to do the same. Political discussions or conversations about topics of interest were allowed, so long as respect and moderation were employed. There were some rough patches,(aren't there always?) but none of these times were impressionable enough to leave a distinct memory. 

Instead, I remember Brian's humorous, provocative links.  I remember Pia Guerra's  stunning pages and the wild, unbridled creative whiz that is Old Man Tonnnnny Harris. I  remember the  blogs from the Writer's Strike. I remember when Brian opened a thread for us to discuss Lost episodes. Sometimes, he joined in and shared tales from the writing room  with us. I remember when he announced the closing of The Cabal as he moved on to new projects. Most of us were sad, even as we understood that things change. Still,, I remember the people  most of all. These folks enriched my life considerably and helped me refine my tastes and articulate my thoughts clearly and precisely.. Happily, I'm still in contact with a few of them.

Bill.is one of the most interesting fellas I know. He has a deep love for literature and can contribute meaningfully to any conversation related to words and letters..  His love and consumption of music rivals that of a certain Sidburned Swashbuckling Murmur founder. Bill has traveled and studied worldwide. He is currently in Dubai in what I can only assume is part of his ongoing mission to spread his own crackling energy to the four corners of the globe. Bill does not know everything about me and I certainly don't know everything him, but he and I have established an easy repertoire and can discuss any topic.

I  also reconnected with Sean, which is nice because he has the admirable quality of charitably interpreting counterarguements s without abandoning his own convictions. Also, the man is one of the hardest working writers I know. He writes every damn day.  He will soon achieve that coveted balance by which one's talent is focused through one's command of craft. From the work I've seen he is closer than he realizes, In fact, he might already have achieved the balance. But he will never stop moving forward. Not Sean.

Joey is a born hustler. As I  remember things, he was one of the the most enthusiastic members of the board. If the board could be considered an 80's rap group, Joey was totally our Filipino Flava Flav  He brought the passion and the insight. These days, he's prowling the west coast in search of glory  He will find it.

Jay has an insatiable Aprilette for education, amine, Warren Ellis and the company of ladies. For these reasons, he and I get along quite well.

The Legendary Tom Daylight has a gift for witty exchanges with creators, a gift that becomes more potent with each passing day. He is well on his way to becoming the next great web ambassador  for comics culture and entertainment.,  a hybrid of  Rich Johnson and John Cleese. Plus, he links to some awesome things.

These are only those individuals with whom I was able to keep contact. There are several others I have yet to find, or rediscover. There is Dustin, who wrote  Icelander, one of the best novels i have read in the past few years. (Go read it, it's a jem.). There's Mindy, Runaways Fanwoman turned contributor Jill, Megan, Stephanie, Horatio,  The other Tom, etc. I know all these people to varying degrees, but I'd love to reconnect with them all to whatever degree is appropriate. I hope tihs article travels right from my  keyboard to their screen and I hear from some of them. Some will undoubtedly  continue to ellude me The internet multiplies exponentially. There are new rabbit holes created every minute, filled with more rabbits doing what rabbits do best. And these new rabbits find new holes in which to disappear. And the cycle begins anew.

Once certain people unplug, they don't necessarily reenter the mainframe. Life happens. Marriage. Divorce. Kids. Relocation. Underemployment. OverEmployment. Unemployment. The problem is that the Internet offers little time, if any, between Hello and Goodbye. It remains to be seen whether forums will survive in a universe that boasts Twitter, and Tumblr. If these serviced are used especially well, an individual forum like environment can be created. The "moderator" (the person followed) can highlight positive responses and ignore nonsensical negative trolls because there exists no platform on which the trolling responses are visibly aggregated in plain view of the other followers. Of course, the Twitter followers of a mega star then have no platform through which to communicate with other followers. So, the the Twitter community than the traditional forum culture.   

Maybe the quixotic relationships forged and maintained online can teach is something about those relationships that exist beyond the world of emoticons. After all, if we were to  cherish every moment in meaningful offline relationships in the same way that we should cherish every moment we share reveling over common interests online with kindred spirits wouldn'tt those relationships be more meaningful

What do you folks think? Have you ever experienced the Digital Break Up? Have you gone offline for an extended period of time like the one mentioned in the 6th Episode of  The Murmur Podcast? How did you cope with the time away from zeitgeist and the minds who inspired you to join the spirit of discussion in the first place?

Speak up. I'm listening.Chances are someone else is listening  too.

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For years, it was a goal of mine to create an online community exclusively for the people who were already my friends In Real Life. I wanted to continue those late-night dorm corridor bull sessions indefinitely with everyone who had graduated and moved away. Unfortunately, all the people I most wanted to talk to were Luddites who could barely be bothered to visit a web site, much less post on one. Years later, it turned out what I wanted all along was Facebook... where I hardly ever post.

Until Murmur.com and iFanboy.com, the only 'community' I ever participated in regularly was one that my friend owned. It was made up of him, his friends, and his coworkers. (Basically, he had what I wanted, except with participants.) It was a lot of fun, and I would often check it 30 times a day and post page-long comments... but over time, it was taken over by trolls, blowhards and douchebags. I don't know what it is about the internet that makes this a site's standard life cycle; given long enough, they all seem to attract loudmouths, windbags and hate speech. Eventually, it was easiest on my mental health to just end the relationship.

You know what every web site needs? An 'Ignore' button.

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I should add: it's not that online communities become overrun with a-holes by the dozens. It's usually that there are, like, five who are sooo obnoxious that it a) brings out the worst in everyone else and b) drives a lot of otherwise decent people away. I don't know how you fix that.

Friday, October 16, 2009 2:09 PM

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An additional complication with the trolls, blowhards, and douchebags is that these folks post the most often. The postivity can get drowned by one person with a quick typing skill and a megaphone.

That's why I love Twitter so much. Ignoring is easy especially with Tweetdeck and the like

Friday, October 16, 2009 2:35 PM
Friday, October 16, 2009 2:07 PM

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Great article, Dave. This really made me reflect on the mercurial nature of some of my online ties. I've dabbled in a few forums. I mostly lurked in the Warren Ellis Forums, but I saw the rise of guys like Matt Fraction and Antony Johnston. pretty cool to see how forums can actually change the face of the industry.

I actually made an attempt around 2000 to start my own writer's community online. We had a rough website, a pre-fab forum, and we made a little go of it. There were a few good conversations, but life happened and we got busy or lost domain or whatever happened.

iFanboy.com is really the first community that I got fully immersed in, to the point of having Skype party calls with half a dozen people I've never met in person. There are a few people from this community who I consider friends, some of whom I've STILL never met in person.

I wonder how much Twitter and Facebook are changing that. Twitter became an easier way to keep track of people (and at the same time, I had some problems logging into the the Rev3 forum where I had started getting to know the iFanboy community), and it seems somehow more appropriate in its way. On the other hand, I think it limits the conversation and the personalization. I'm very aware that I'm writing for everyone on Twitter (from my boss to family members to friends), as opposed to a small forum, which, while still public, is clearly aimed at a niche audience.

Wednesday, October 14, 2009 6:42 PM

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I must admit that iFanboy (and now Murmur) are the only communities I have ever interacted with on a regular basis where I actually cared about what the other members thought of me. The members (most of them) of the iFanboy and Murmur communities are intelligent (generally), polite (often), and insightful (occasionally), so I enjoy interacting with them.

I have interacted with a number of forums and sites, but never found any reason to stay. I am easily bored.

Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:03 AM

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Between eighth grade and high school I dabbled with a science fiction and fantasy writing forum where members could post short stories and trade critiques. It wasn't so much a community as a place where you'd occasionally recognize a familiar user name in the comments section under a new story. My time with that forum ended in high school when I stopped writing fiction for a few years. I'd become too much of a perfectionist. Without the confidence to submit something less than amazing, I simply stopped writing for a while.

Around sophomore year, say the early 2000s, I was involved in a few anime message boards. I was a moderator for one of them. My interest and involvement faded as I got more invested in high school plays, which devoured much of my time. I went back and visited those forums and the new forums that had taken their place, and poked around a bit, sometimes posting for a week or two. There were a few familiar faces, but ultimately the world had moved on.

I lost interest in forums for several years, then discovered iFanboy around the time I was a junior or senior in college. I posted a lot on those Rev3 boards and that's how I came to know Josh, Ron, and Conor so well. I met them at the 100th episode taping in New York and when I asked if they needed any help at NYCC a few months later, they asked me if I'd like to work on Murmur, which hadn't been announced yet. Shortly after that, Conor wrote to ask me if I wanted to write a column for iFanboy. Here we are, over a year later, and I consider these guys great friends. I'm really proud of both websites and I look forward to those opportunities when we get to collaborate and hang out.

Through iFanboy I've met a lot of talented people I talk to just about every single day on Twitter or otherwise. I'm really grateful for that.

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This is the first time I have seen your story in any detail. Interesting. How do you feel about people posting short stories on Murmur? I suggested it to @DrDeaton on twitter a few days ago and he wasn't sure if it was appropriate. This seems like an excellent site for short fiction stories.

Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:57 AM

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I don't know about fiction, but I think the Lifestyle section is ideal for creative non-fiction (memoir, travel writing, essay).

Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:04 AM

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Gotcha.

Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:15 AM

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I actually stumbled on to IFanboy because of the Cabal. Brian posted a link to the Pick of the Week Podcast in which The Escapists #6 was chosen as Pick of the Week. Apparently, Series Artist Steve Rolston stumbled across it. Brian was excited because, to the best of his knowledge, this event marked the first time in IFanboy history in which unilateral agreement regarding the pick of the Week occurred.

(I was going to include that tidbit, but I wanted to focus on the thesis of the article as precisely as possible.)

Whether this occurrence was Magical Serendipity, savy P.R or some combination of both, I was thankful to have a new place to hang out. I lurked for a while until Paul's s "In Defense of Superman" two part article series knocked me on my ass. I've been an active member ever since and have not regretted a second of it

Wednesday, October 14, 2009 12:00 PM
Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:38 AM

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Great idea for an article.

Before I got back into comics and joined the ifanboy community I was involved with two communities.

1) 4w-Forums: This was a major wrestling forum for awhile and I was big into wrestling from like 2002-2006. It had a wonderful cast of members and I was friends with a lot of them. I was the same on that site like I was on ifanboy today; so you can pretty much imagine what I was like on there. There's so many stories I could talk about but they wouldn't make much sense if your not a wrestling fan. Eventually though I became bored of the sport and I just slowly stopped going on the site. It's still up and running but I don't believe any of the members I was friends with are on there anymore. Shame, would love to know what happened to some of them.

2) PulpSecret: This was the first comic book site I joined when I got back into comics. Granted I didn't start buying issues yet, this was like for me to get updated into the land of the industry. It was run by Alex, Justin, and Pete; and they were all very funny and had great insight into the issues they reviewed. Pete LePage is a bit annoying cause he's one of those guys who prefer mindless action over good comic books (still hates Geoff Johns GL run to this day). Sadly the people who ran the site (like how revision3 runs ifanboy) decided to close it doors and they disappeared for awhile. But now they came back about a year earlier with a youtube show called 'ComicBookClub'. I still watch them to this day and even though I post like hell on ifanboy.....Justin/Alex/Pete are still my main men.

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I'm hoping most people can relate to this experience. It is a special treat when a community is resseructed

Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:34 AM

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I was so happy to see those guys revive the show. It's better then ever because they aren't restricted on what to talk about. Shame it's just a youtube show though; they are just as good as Ifanboy.

Wednesday, October 14, 2009 6:02 PM
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